Comments on: The Destruction of Jerusalem: Eschatological Or Dispensational? http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/the-destruction-of-jerusalem-eschatological-or-dispensational/ Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:52:26 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Tim http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/the-destruction-of-jerusalem-eschatological-or-dispensational/#comment-875 Tim Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:06:43 +0000 http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/?p=1404#comment-875 Yes, You are my brother and like Peter and Paul we will have differences in opinion. This only sharpens each others resolve. You did make a curious argument. when you said 75% of the worlds population is practicing false religion, and who is here to challenge my view. Well, you and I both know there are two Gates one to destruction and one to righteousness. The second Gate is our faith in Christ. Rev.22-14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Verse 15 describes the 75% or whatever the number is that love destruction. Only the flesh minds the things of the flesh.Romans 7:5;Romans 7:18 The Kingdom Is Now because the Spirit of God again strives with man through the perfect work of our Lord Jesus Christ. Most want to wait and see what is right in front of them now. You are right we do have differences but whether or not they are vital I am not sure. Perhaps you can dialog with me on why these are "vital" points. Lord bless your day. Yes,
You are my brother and like Peter and Paul we will have differences in opinion. This only sharpens each others resolve. You did make a curious argument. when you said 75% of the worlds population is practicing false religion, and who is here to challenge my view. Well, you and I both know there are two Gates one to destruction and one to righteousness. The second Gate is our faith in Christ. Rev.22-14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Verse 15 describes the 75% or whatever the number is that love destruction.

Only the flesh minds the things of the flesh.Romans 7:5;Romans 7:18

The Kingdom Is Now because the Spirit of God again strives with man through the perfect work of our Lord Jesus Christ. Most want to wait and see what is right in front of them now. You are right we do have differences but whether or not they are vital I am not sure. Perhaps you can dialog with me on why these are “vital” points.

Lord bless your day.

]]> By: Brian Simmons http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/the-destruction-of-jerusalem-eschatological-or-dispensational/#comment-874 Brian Simmons Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:39:11 +0000 http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/?p=1404#comment-874 Tim, I have made my position quite clear on the interpretation of "this generation." I will not reiterate the arguments here. As for that and other points, you have a right to disagree with me. If you believe that the kingdom is here and now, while at least 75% of the world's population is practicing false religion, who is to gainsay you? Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on vital matters. That doesn't mean, of course, that I don't own you as a fellow believer in Christ. Brian Tim,

I have made my position quite clear on the interpretation of “this generation.” I will not reiterate the arguments here.

As for that and other points, you have a right to disagree with me. If you believe that the kingdom is here and now, while at least 75% of the world’s population is practicing false religion, who is to gainsay you?

Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on vital matters. That doesn’t mean, of course, that I don’t own you as a fellow believer in Christ.

Brian

]]> By: Tim http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/the-destruction-of-jerusalem-eschatological-or-dispensational/#comment-873 Tim Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:54:42 +0000 http://antipreterist.wordpress.com/?p=1404#comment-873 24:34, "This generation" = the persons then living contemporary with Christ. We can look the word "generation" in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the NT, and we can see that the Greek word is "genea." It says, "The whole multitude of men living at the same time." Also we find in William F. Arndt and Wilber Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the NT and Other Early Christian Literature: "basically, the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time. Contemporaries." Clearly, we have someone in error. We have 2 suspects, you and your Dispensational view, or The Holy Infallible Word of God. Hum...I'll take the latter. When you polarize yourself and become a "staunch opponent" of a different view you close your mind, which IS God given to glorify Him, to what the Spirit of Christ is saying. The word "genea" is the word in question for YOU. Everyone who is looking to the skies for The Blessed Savior is still not getting the message that the messengers gave them at His assent into the clouds. Acts 1: 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Clearly, we are not to be looking up but what should we do? Is the Lord possibly Omnipresent and therefor needs not a body? John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Acts chapter 2 is a powerful description of how Christ is unseen. This was prefaced with the promise Christ made to the disciples in John 14. Without any doubt the Lord comes to us unseen! The world looks for a sign, an image, a quality that begs for their respect their interest. If you really see what Christ meant in Matthew 24 you would see that generation is exactly THAT generation. The same word is used in Mark 8:12 surely Christ was referring to that generation in context as Matt. 24 is in it's context. Though I am not a Preterist I do believe that this view of parousia is more plausible. Why? you ask. It is the most straight forward! Anyone reading the scriptures could reasonably come to it's conclusions. You shouldn't have to be a scholar of the Bible to know what Christ is. It seems all the other eschatological schisms seem to require you to be exactly that. Besides, how many times has Christ returned? Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe and countless other end times preachers in pulpits around the world have predicted Christ's return to no avail. If the Lord wanted us to be taught be men then The Pope in Rome should be our teacher. Thankfully, the Lord doesn't and so the Pope is not. I am not saying that teachers aren't needed but rightly dividing the Word of God is not sensational nor is it glorious.Paul calls himself the least of all. Please if you get anything from the rant, know this The Kingdom Is Now. It is Christ in you the hope of glory! We are in the Kingdom when the Spirit which is Christ, is in your heart and mind. 24:34, “This generation” = the persons then living contemporary with Christ. We can look the word “generation” in Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the NT, and we can see that the Greek word is “genea.” It says, “The whole multitude of men living at the same time.” Also we find in William F. Arndt and Wilber Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the NT and Other Early Christian Literature: “basically, the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time. Contemporaries.” Clearly, we have someone in error. We have 2 suspects, you and your Dispensational view, or The Holy Infallible Word of God. Hum…I’ll take the latter. When you polarize yourself and become a “staunch opponent” of a different view you close your mind, which IS God given to glorify Him, to what the Spirit of Christ is saying. The word “genea” is the word in question for YOU. Everyone who is looking to the skies for The Blessed Savior is still not getting the message that the messengers gave them at His assent into the clouds. Acts 1: 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Clearly, we are not to be looking up but what should we do? Is the Lord possibly Omnipresent and therefor needs not a body? John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Acts chapter 2 is a powerful description of how Christ is unseen. This was prefaced with the promise Christ made to the disciples in John 14. Without any doubt the Lord comes to us unseen! The world looks for a sign, an image, a quality that begs for their respect their interest. If you really see what Christ meant in Matthew 24 you would see that generation is exactly THAT generation. The same word is used in Mark 8:12 surely Christ was referring to that generation in context as Matt. 24 is in it’s context. Though I am not a Preterist I do believe that this view of parousia is more plausible. Why? you ask. It is the most straight forward! Anyone reading the scriptures could reasonably come to it’s conclusions. You shouldn’t have to be a scholar of the Bible to know what Christ is. It seems all the other eschatological schisms seem to require you to be exactly that. Besides, how many times has Christ returned? Chuck Smith, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe and countless other end times preachers in pulpits around the world have predicted Christ’s return to no avail. If the Lord wanted us to be taught be men then The Pope in Rome should be our teacher. Thankfully, the Lord doesn’t and so the Pope is not. I am not saying that teachers aren’t needed but rightly dividing the Word of God is not sensational nor is it glorious.Paul calls himself the least of all. Please if you get anything from the rant, know this The Kingdom Is Now. It is Christ in you the hope of glory! We are in the Kingdom when the Spirit which is Christ, is in your heart and mind.

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