Maybe It Ain’t Quite Like They Thought It Was

   Since I started this blog back in July of 2008, I’ve had lots of correspondence from people who endorse the Preterist view.  Preterists basically believe that most, if not all, of Bible prophecy was fulfilled at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.  The view strongly relies on the support of liberal scholarship, and agrees with that perspective known as “Replacement Theology.”  Preterists believe that the church is the “true Israel.”  And thus Christians who look for the future restoration of Abraham’s natural descendants are branded as misguided and erroneous –  sometimes even subversive.

   But when one hears these views espoused, one really has to wonder whether or not proponents of Preterism have seriously studied their Old Testaments.  For even after the fulfillment of the curses of Deut. 28 (which Preterists say happened in A.D. 70), a restoration is promised, during which the Lord will re-gather His scattered people and bring them into the land of their fathers (Deut. 30: 1-5).  This will be accompanied by the regeneration of the remnant (Deut. 30: 6) and judgments upon the Gentiles (see Deut. 30: 7).  According to the Old Testament prophets, the Gentile judgments are inextricably tied to the outcome of the Day of the Lord (see Zephaniah 3: 8; Micah 5: 15; Zech. 14: 3).

   Nobody who studies the Old Testament according to its grammatical, lexical, and obvious sense, will fail to see that Israel’s predicted blessings will be realized at the Lord’s second coming. 

   Even prophecies which speak of the New Covenant look forward to a restoration of the literal city of Jerusalem (Jer. 31: 38-40).  It is simply impossible to discount the many prophecies which speak of Israel’s ultimate salvation and restoration, without wilfully ignoring the entire meta-narrative of the Old Testament.  And the New Testament doesn’t trump that, either.  For Christ came to confirm the promises made to the fathers (Romans 15: 8).  And Paul says that the “gifts and calling of God are without change of mind” (Romans 11: 29).

  One of the reasons I am a Dispensationalist, is that I believe in the literal, historical fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies concerning Christ.  The prophecies regarding Christ’s first advent were all fulfilled in what spiritualizers would probably consider a ridiculously literal fashion.  And yet past realization forms the foundation and precedent for future fulfillment.  Even Preterists utilize this working principle when they (wrongly) cite Old Testament passages in support of their allegorical reading of Matthew 24.

   But the prophets speak in literal terms.  Consider, for example, the New Testament fulfillment of Isaiah 53: 4, in which the prophet said: “Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows.”  Well, says the allegorizer, this must be restricted to something spiritual.  No, says the New Testament!  It involves physical healing of the sick (see Matt. 8: 16-17).  We are not suggesting that the prophecy doesn’t also include spiritual healing (that is obvious from a literal reading of Isaiah).  However, the New Testament record declares that the “fulfillment” of Isaiah 53: 4 was literal and historical in nature.  

  Now, since the Old Testament makes no distinction between the first and second advents of Christ, how are unfulfilled Messianic texts to be interpreted?  They must not be carelessly relegated to Christ’s first advent, as some of the church fathers used to do.  For if the Messiah’s work was totally fulfilled with His first advent, what need was there for a second coming?  Neither should we relegate second advent prophecies to any A.D. 70 ‘judgment coming.’  For according to Preterists, that was not a personal coming of Christ.  Yet the Old Testament Messianic prophecies deal with a literal, historical Jesus.  Will Preterists be so bold as to claim that the Old Testament never refers to the second advent?  If that is the case, then what Scriptures was Paul using when he taught Christ’s second coming?  Ah, thou art beginning to see my point, young man!

   The simple fact is, that the Old Testament predicts both advents of Christ, and the New Testament makes the distinction between the two, which allows us to go back to the O.T. and see which prophecies were fulfilled, and which remain future.  Lest we be lost in confusion, all Messianic prophecies are to be interpreted according to the same “normative” hermeneutic.  And once this principle is followed, it becomes clear that Israel will be saved and restored at Christ’s second advent.  Paul says so (see Romans 11: 25-27).

  Of course, I don’t have any personal complaint against those who endorse the Preterist view.  I actually have friends who are Preterists! Nor do I have any personal problem with those who stand against Dispensational theology as a matter of principle  –  so long as no fines or anathemas are levied upon those (like myself) who respectfully disagree with them.  My main complaint is against that straitened dogmatism which seeks to nullify the promises of God, and wipe Israel off the prophetic board.  It is largely because of such views that this site exists.  As long as Preterism remains an active theology on the internet, my business here is to point out the glaring possibility that perhaps —  oh, just perhaps!  —  prophecy ain’t really like they thought it was.  Maranatha!

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  modres wrote @

Replacement Theologians are now starting to argue that this title is placed on them by Dispensationalists and it is an unwarranted and undeserved title.

Mark Vlach just recently finished his doctoral dissertation on this subject and points out that there is no difference between Supercessionism and Replacement Theology, of which Preterism draws much of its conclusions.

It is impossible to read the book of Ezekiel and every time God purposefully states “Israel,” we are told to believe that He really means the “true Israel” or the “Church.” This is absurd since so many of the things that God said would happen to “old” Israel, DID happen to them. Why though are the judgments taken to be directed at “old” Israel, but all the unfulfilled promises taken to be directed to the Church?

The problem exists because people do not understand that God can (and does) have a unique plan for Israel, and He can (and does) have a separate and distinct plan for the Church! The salvation for BOTH is exactly the same, but the plan can and is different.

  Rick B wrote @

This is a great site, I am glad I found it. I would only suggest you change the background- it makes it very difficult to read the posts.

Blessings…

  Karl wrote @

We should look to God regarding “replacement theology”. It’s not a replacement. It’s a merging. We have to remember why Daniel was so upset with what the Angel was telling him in Daniel 9, about Christ being “cut off”. This term was much more than just that He died, it was that Christ would be left without an heir. The linage of David ended at Jesus and He was cut off, leaving no one to continue the royal line, being the first born. Now everyone gets all up in arms about the Jews. We fail to take into consideration that many Jews were being saved from Pentecost on. The numbers are staggering 5,000 in just one day. Remember, God said, even though you’d expand like the sand on the sea shore, yet only a remnant would return. Only a remnant would be saved, and a remnant was saved. Then the Samaritans who were half breeds were allowed to merge with the Jews, then the Gentiles were granted permission to enter in as well. The nationality of all races have absolutely no meaning in the body of Christ. Old things have passed away behold all things have become new. There is neither Jew nor Greek, bond or free, for we are all one in Christ Jesus our LORD.

I think we fail to take that into consideration. We don’t want to resurrect a race and exalt that race above Christ, saying that these are God’s chosen people. They are not God’s chosen people unless they have His Seed abiding in them chosen to be in Christ, Jew and Gentile. Paul even stressed that that one is not a Jew outwardly but inwardly circumcised in heart. We have to realize too that Abraham was not a Jew, he was fully gentile, he came out of Ur of the Chaldee.

It’s not a replacement, it’s a merge. And a beautiful one at that.

  modres wrote @

The trouble is that if we take what you are saying at face value – there is no Jew or Gentile, male or female, etc. – it does not square with what Paul wrote LATER, when he gave guidelines for women in their service to Christ. He also gave guidelines for men. Beyond this, Paul ALWAYS went to the Jew FIRST during his entire earthly ministry.

What people like yourself fail to understand is that when we speak of there being no male, or female, etc., this applies in the SPIRITUAL realm. This is the way it is THERE and the way it will be in ETERNITY future. It is NOT the way it is now. Paul also means that salvation is available to ALL people equally, regardless of race, gender or culture.

If he really meant what you believe he means, why did he come out against homosexuality in Romans 1? If there is no gender distinction, then certainly he would not have been able to condemn homosexuality. Why did he not fight for the freedom of all slaves during his life? The plain fact of the matter is that IN Christ, we are one, but that is in the spiritual realm and in eternity future.

By the same token, according to Paul in Ephesians, I am NOW seated with Christ in the heavenlies. I am also NOW fully righteous AND sinless in God’s eyes. This however, is NOT the case as I live in this mortal, corruptible body now. My experience NOW is that I sin, I fail to live up to the standard that is in Christ, which is perfection.

The other reality here is that God’s promises to Israel have not been fulfilled in the Church. When Christ died, it does NOT mean He had no heir. It means He died virtually alone, separated from everyone, including being cut off from the Father, the first time that ever happened in the Godhead.

Preterism, Replacement Theology – all of it – has decided that God’s promises are variable. They are not. If you read Ezekiel alone carefully, you’ll note that THE overriding reason He WILL fulfill His promises TO Israel, has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with His NAME, which has been thoroughly sullied by Israel. It stretches the meaning of Scripture way beyond its intended meaning to suggest that God is NOW fulfilling His promises to the Church; the “new” Israel. There is no mention of the Church in the OT, and even when within the Abrahamic Promise, we read that the gospel will eventually go out to all people (through Abram, all nations of the earth will be blessed), this does NOT signify the Church. It merely signifies that the gospel was always intended to go out to ALL nations and all people. As far as the Jews were concerned, they understood that to mean that it would go out to ALL nations THROUGH the nation of Israel. That has not happened.

By the way, if you consider Revelation, and the detailing of Christ’s physical kingdom when He returns, please note that NATIONS are judged (Sheep and the Goats) and it is by nations that they either go into the Millennial Kingdom or not.

There is a very real LEGAL reason why Christ MUST rule physically on David’s throne, on earth, from Jerusalem. I’ll let you find it, but it is in Revelation.

  william ritter wrote @

If Bible prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70, how do the preterists explain ” The Day of the LORD” or the millenium?

  william ritter wrote @

I have another question for Karl, who wrote on Oct. 21, 2009, that Abraham was fully Gentile. How could that be when Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob (Israel)?


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